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Krell Kroenen
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Posted - 2013.04.08 15:42:00 -
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I am afraid I am going to have to side with those here that aren't in favor of these changes really. The mega changes really depress me. How about this. You make the Hyperion the attack battleship and do what you need to do make it work since with these changes it still seems broken and you leave the mega alone.
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Krell Kroenen
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Posted - 2013.04.08 16:23:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:I think its interesting how a lot of people feel the hyperion NEEDS 5 mids to be able to run an active tank - and at the same time a lot of people seem to think the megathron NEEDS its 7 lows back. .
Well I don't fly the Hyperion but if was to guess, they active tank it and use cap injectors *smirks* while people like me buffer tank the mega with a sprinkle of damage mods.
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Krell Kroenen
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Posted - 2013.04.09 02:43:00 -
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Adriel Malakai wrote:CCP Rise wrote:I want to respond to a few of these points since they seem to be coming up a lot, though I'm not sure why.
First the tank - I showed you the armor tank that people are most likely to use, 2 plate, 2eanm, 1 dcu - this is the standard mega armor tank and its still completely viable. Now, you have the same tank, similar damage, but your ship goes faster and you have an extra mid. Seems like a fair trade.
And as far as the Talos. I would never expect this ship to compete with the Talos as a roaming kiter. That is not whats intended by "fast and agile". If you want to see some value from fast and agile, think about a situation where you have a new shiny armageddon tackled by your friend in a stiletto. The geddon is perma jammed by your friend in a blackbird. But! You have just jumped through the gate and are 35k away from the armageddon! Now, as you close in, the armageddon has 2 friends show up! An oneiros and a falcon. Now you have to make a run for the gate as fast as possible. This is just one example of where a BS's speed matters. If you are in a hyperion, you will struggle to get over there and apply damage in anywhere near the time-frame that this attack mega can. There's many other examples, but I just want to make the point that just because a ship can't kite as well as a Talos, that doesn't mean speed is not important.
As a final point for comparing BS vs Tier3 BC. Always consider the way they would perform vs each other. How does this new mega do in a 1v1 vs a Talos? The problem with the extra mid is that you don't gain a lot from having it when using an armor tank relative to the extra low. Where the mid really helps is when you're trying to shield tank the mega, but you're pretty much always better off with a shield talos than a shield mega. So the question is whether or not that extra mid slot is actually worth having over the extra low in most situations. In my opinion, the answer is no by an extremely wide margin.
Nearly the perfect answer Adriel , I would also like to point out as others have, a ROF bonus to get this "similar damage" is also going to cost us more cap. So it's a net loss of some dmg, some cap and some armor for an increase of 7ms to the base speed and a mid sot that we really didn't ask for. And you wonder why we aren't pleased with the changes. |
Krell Kroenen
Miners In Possession
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Posted - 2013.04.09 13:51:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:To anyone suggesting that the Hyperion should lose hi-slots or turret hardpoints: no. It can't be done, currently, because art assets constain them from doing that. The Hyperion very, very clearly has eight turret hardpoints on the base model. Unless the ship was actively remodelled at the same time as the stats change, they can't get rid of guns or hardpoints.
There are numerous ships with modeled hard points that you can't fill out. Heck the Raven has 8 and they are trimming one of the slots off. And last I checked you can undock with 7 guns on the Hyp with out the game crashing. |
Krell Kroenen
Miners In Possession
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Posted - 2013.04.10 13:28:00 -
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+1 for the Mega changes
Thank you most kindly
*Bows* |
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